First access to a web page?

[JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM]

For about the last 3 weeks, after just booting the computer the first access
to a web page takes anywhere from 45 to 90 seconds to load. This is true for
major sites like: yahoo.com, google.com, ebay.com, &c. Often, the page times
out, and it takes several attempts to make the first connection.

This was never the case a month ago. The first access might be delayed by a
few seconds, but the very long delay now experienced is quite annoying.

This morning I clicked on "my.yahoo.com", went into the kitchen to pour a cup
of coffee, returned, and the page still had not loaded.

--John Coffman

[JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM]

Oh, yes, it is not the DNS lookup that is taking the time, judging by the
comment at the bottom of the Mozilla screen. It is the response from the
site. Second and later accesses to other pages on these major sites are super
fast. What the heck is going on with that first access?

--John Coffman

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:45:41 GMT, JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM

Post by JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM
For about the last 3 weeks, after just booting the computer the first access
to a web page takes anywhere from 45 to 90 seconds to load. This is true for
major sites like: yahoo.com, google.com, ebay.com, &c. Often, the page times
out, and it takes several attempts to make the first connection.
This was never the case a month ago. The first access might be delayed by a
few seconds, but the very long delay now experienced is quite annoying.
This morning I clicked on "my.yahoo.com", went into the kitchen to pour a cup
of coffee, returned, and the page still had not loaded.
--John Coffman

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Post by JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM
Oh, yes, it is not the DNS lookup that is taking the time, judging by the
comment at the bottom of the Mozilla screen. It is the response from the
site. Second and later accesses to other pages on these major sites are super
fast. What the heck is going on with that first access?
--John Coffman

Have you checked your machine for adware/spyware?

Post by JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:45:41 GMT, JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM

Post by JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM
For about the last 3 weeks, after just booting the computer the first access
to a web page takes anywhere from 45 to 90 seconds to load. This is true for
major sites like: yahoo.com, google.com, ebay.com, &c. Often, the page times
out, and it takes several attempts to make the first connection.
This was never the case a month ago. The first access might be delayed by a
few seconds, but the very long delay now experienced is quite annoying.
This morning I clicked on "my.yahoo.com", went into the kitchen to pour a cup
of coffee, returned, and the page still had not loaded.
--John Coffman

[JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM]

Post by ***@NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org
Have you checked your machine for adware/spyware?

Yes, I've done a scan of the entire machine with Avast.

It is only the first access which is slow. After that, all is up to normal
[high] speed.

--John

[Scott Lindner]

Post by JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM
It is only the first access which is slow. After that, all is up to normal
[high] speed.

It could be the browser's cache causing this behavior. To test it. Go to a
website, wait the time, go to it again using the same broser, verifiy that
it is faster the second time. Now clear out the cache and go to the website
again. If it loads slowly the first time you access it after you cleared
out the cache, then it is always slow access and the only reason it's fast
after the first load is due to the browser's cache.

You might want to close the browser between each load just to be safe with
the test.

Let us know how it goes.

Scott

[JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM]

The browser cache could account for the faster loading the second time. But
this is not the case on eBay, where one visits a different page for each item.
Once the contact with eBay is established, all pages load as fast as I expect
through a cable modem. However, if the first page I go to is slowwwww.... to
load, often experiencing the timeout.

No, something is going on out there in the network. DNS lookup on the first
visit is extremely fast; it is the response from the site that is extremely
slow. If it were only Yahoo, then I would think it is a Yahoo response
problem. But it is the same for Google, eBay, MSN, & other major & minor
sites.

Once the first connection is established, all future traffic seems to be at
full speed.

--John

[Scott Lindner]

Post by JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM
No, something is going on out there in the network. DNS lookup on the first
visit is extremely fast; it is the response from the site that is extremely
slow. If it were only Yahoo, then I would think it is a Yahoo response
problem. But it is the same for Google, eBay, MSN, & other major & minor
sites.

Gotcha. I've noticed this too over the past month but thought I had to be
out of my mind and wrote it off. Now you're saying the same thing I'm
starting to believe it more. When you called out these specific sites is
when it sunk in. It's not an RR problem either. As I'm sure you're aware.
I've wondered if it is some other high level router out there giving us
grief, or a network router type worm causing troubles at large sites. Or
maybe an attempt at a DDOS attack that's not going so well?

Scott

[Darren New]

Post by JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM
Once the first connection is established, all future traffic seems to be at
full speed.

Many such sites leave the connection open and reuse it. It's possible a
TCP connection to the site is slow to establish, but the responsiveness
is fast.

Try just using "telnet yahoo.com 80" or some such to see how long it
takes to establish the connection several times in a row.

[v***@despammed.com]

If you're still having the problem:

1) Did you recently install service pack 2 for windows xp? Its seems to be a
common problem (I had it too) although I forget exactly what it was! lol Try
searching in the microsoft win xp newsgroups:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups.mspx

2) While searching for help with the above problem I had, I found this one about
having problems when the webclient service was turned on:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=832161

3) There's quite a few other things that can cause this problem like ICS or
network shares...after it happens again, go to event viewer in the
administrative tools part of the control panel and see what it has to say.

Cheers.
--
A Real man holds his woman's hair while she pukes.

Post by JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM
For about the last 3 weeks, after just booting the computer the first access
to a web page takes anywhere from 45 to 90 seconds to load. This is true for
major sites like: yahoo.com, google.com, ebay.com, &c. Often, the page times
out, and it takes several attempts to make the first connection.
This was never the case a month ago. The first access might be delayed by a
few seconds, but the very long delay now experienced is quite annoying.
This morning I clicked on "my.yahoo.com", went into the kitchen to pour a cup
of coffee, returned, and the page still had not loaded.
--John Coffman

[Edwin Kruse]

This could have been part of it recently anyway:

October 21, Information Week - Major disruption in Level 3 network slows
Internet traffic. The Internet has been slower due to a major disruption of
service from tier one carrier Level 3 Communications on October 21. The
disruption caused increases in Internet response times and drops in
availability. In addition, Websites were unreachable and service was shut
off for some users. According to George Roettger, Internet security
specialist for NetLink Services Inc, "I don't think I've ever seen an entire
backbone network go down like that before."
Source: http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=
NXVYLVXLHSQCMQSNDBCCKHSCJUMEKJVN?articleID=172303270

Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

Post by JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM
For about the last 3 weeks, after just booting the computer the first access
to a web page takes anywhere from 45 to 90 seconds to load. This is true for
major sites like: yahoo.com, google.com, ebay.com, &c. Often, the page times
out, and it takes several attempts to make the first connection.
This was never the case a month ago. The first access might be delayed by a
few seconds, but the very long delay now experienced is quite annoying.
This morning I clicked on "my.yahoo.com", went into the kitchen to pour a cup
of coffee, returned, and the page still had not loaded.
--John Coffman

[JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM]

Post by Edwin Kruse
October 21, Information Week - Major disruption in Level 3 network slows
Internet traffic. <snip>

The usual web delay on first access was not experienced on boot this afternoon
(10/26). Although this is a different possible explanation than the path I
had been pursuing (antivirus caching issue), I was delighted to see Yahoo
appear [almost] immediately today.

--John Coffman

[Scott Lindner]

Post by JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM
The usual web delay on first access was not experienced on boot this afternoon

I noticed it last night but didn't think about it at all today. I also
didn't have many chances to really tell so it's hard to know. One thing I
did notice last night is very interesting. I went to a page and there was a
long delay. I stopped it then hit the page again and it opened right up. I
tried this many times and it worked each time. Very interesting. I'll see
if it happens over the next couple of days.

[JohnInSD At san DOT rr dot COM]

Post by Edwin Kruse
October 21, Information Week - Major disruption in Level 3 network slows
Internet traffic.

Edwin,

No delay experienced Friday a.m., 08:40 10/28. I hit several web pages while
Windows 2000 was still putting itself together, eliminating the possibility of
any caching issues on the local machine.

--John Coffman