Interesting Percentages of Market

[Edwin Kruse]

http://isp-planet.com/research/rankings/2005/usa_history_q22005.html

[--Larry]

Post by Edwin Kruse
http://isp-planet.com/research/rankings/2005/usa_history_q22005.html

Interesting. Ed, have you seen anything the compares percent market
penetration? I know that SBC has a physical presence in far more
residences than TW so it would be expected that SBC would have more ISP
subscribers than TW.

Also it would be interesting to see figures on growth in the last 12 months
as SBC has decided to use aggressive pricing to attract new broadband
customers.

Thanks for posting the link.

[Vagabond Software]

Post by --Larry

Post by Edwin Kruse
http://isp-planet.com/research/rankings/2005/usa_history_q22005.html

Interesting. Ed, have you seen anything the compares percent market
penetration? I know that SBC has a physical presence in far more
residences than TW so it would be expected that SBC would have more ISP
subscribers than TW.
Also it would be interesting to see figures on growth in the last 12 months
as SBC has decided to use aggressive pricing to attract new broadband
customers.
Thanks for posting the link.

Well, I used to have SBC for telephone and found them unsuitable for even
that simple purpose, which prompted me to move to MCI Neighborhood (local
and long distance). SBC called us relentlessly and offered us lower
pricing, checks for up to $125 to switch, and other incentives. As my
girlfriend put it to an SBC salesman one night, "We wouldn't switch if you
offered it to us as a free service". I had to laugh, but the plain and
simple fact is that it is absolutely true.

I abhor the AOL client and have spent the last eight years trying to
convince my girlfriend to switch to other applications for Internet
purposes, but she won't do it. Whenever a new version of the AOL client is
released, she installs it on her machine without question. I don't know
what it is, but AOL must know their users and provide them with what they
want.

I think there are many factors that account for market appeal.

Carl

[Edwin Kruse]

Yes, we have that information and the marketing folks share it with me
from time to time. In general we have about 45% market penetration in
our TWC footprint for HSD as far as homes and businesses passed. In
some neighborhoods we have a lot more. When you look at penetration of
homes with PC's only, we are even higher. Believe it or not there are a
lot of residences that don't have any Internet connection at all!

In my opinion we have not really competed head to head with DSL because
both SBC and us have been getting mainly dialup people. This is changing.

Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

Post by --Larry

Post by Edwin Kruse
http://isp-planet.com/research/rankings/2005/usa_history_q22005.html

Interesting. Ed, have you seen anything the compares percent market
penetration? I know that SBC has a physical presence in far more
residences than TW so it would be expected that SBC would have more ISP
subscribers than TW.
Also it would be interesting to see figures on growth in the last 12 months
as SBC has decided to use aggressive pricing to attract new broadband
customers.
Thanks for posting the link.

[Scott Lindner]

Post by Edwin Kruse
Believe it or not there are a
lot of residences that don't have any Internet connection at all!

I do *not* believe it. :P

I know it happens, but I don't understand it. Unless it's due to financial
limitations.

Scott

[[e-mail]]

Post by Edwin Kruse
Yes, we have that information and the marketing folks share it with me
from time to time. In general we have about 45% market penetration in
our TWC footprint for HSD as far as homes and businesses passed. In
some neighborhoods we have a lot more. When you look at penetration of
homes with PC's only, we are even higher. Believe it or not there are a
lot of residences that don't have any Internet connection at all!
In my opinion we have not really competed head to head with DSL because
both SBC and us have been getting mainly dialup people. This is changing.
Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

TW definitely will have some competition coming. Check out the prices
on premium data services in this PC World article

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,122314,pg,3,00.asp

What I find interesting is that there are companies offering much more
bandwidth, at prices comparable to what san.rr.com customers are paying.

I've been wondering what the heck ever became of all the fiber and
pigtails PacTel laid down in San Diego a few years ago. It would make a
lot of sense for SOME company to come along and light up them fibers!

[MTGuru]

Post by ***@NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org
I've been wondering what the heck ever became of all the fiber and
pigtails PacTel laid down in San Diego a few years ago. It would
make a lot of sense for SOME company to come along and light up them
fibers!

Yep, it's still there, at least here in Scripps Ranch. Sticking out of
the concrete by the utility panel of my house.

I'd heard they'd sold it off to someone for scrap. But considering the
god awful mess they made of the streets when they put it in, anyone
trying to tear it out now would be met by a neighborhood lynching party.
:-)

-- MTGuru

[Scott Lindner]

Post by MTGuru
Yep, it's still there, at least here in Scripps Ranch. Sticking out of
the concrete by the utility panel of my house.
I'd heard they'd sold it off to someone for scrap. But considering the
god awful mess they made of the streets when they put it in, anyone
trying to tear it out now would be met by a neighborhood lynching party.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are simply waiting for the government(s) to
eliminate the cable monopolies.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_comment/gainor200508190833.asp

[v***@despammed.com]

Excellent article. Thanks. Too bad we're the underdog (and the ones bent over
taking it up the ***). >=(

Post by Scott Lindner

Post by MTGuru
Yep, it's still there, at least here in Scripps Ranch. Sticking out of
the concrete by the utility panel of my house.
I'd heard they'd sold it off to someone for scrap. But considering the
god awful mess they made of the streets when they put it in, anyone
trying to tear it out now would be met by a neighborhood lynching party.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are simply waiting for the government(s) to
eliminate the cable monopolies.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_comment/gainor200508190833.asp

[Scott Lindner]

Post by v***@despammed.com
Excellent article. Thanks. Too bad we're the underdog (and the ones bent over
taking it up the ***). >=(

Exactly why I'm so upset with government protected monopolies. In all
honesty, if the government eased off and truly opened it up to real
competition it would probably end up being better for TWC in the long run.
Being in the position they are in they have a pile of regulations and BS
they gotta deal with that they wouldn't if it were opened up to a
competitive market.

I'm glad you liked the article. There are tons of articles out there on
this topic and they date back many years.

Scott

[Frank ess]

Post by ***@NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org

Post by Edwin Kruse
Yes, we have that information and the marketing folks share it with
me from time to time. In general we have about 45% market
penetration in our TWC footprint for HSD as far as homes and
businesses passed. In some neighborhoods we have a lot more. When
you look at penetration
of homes with PC's only, we are even higher. Believe it or not
there are a lot of residences that don't have any Internet
connection at all! In my opinion we have not really competed head
to head with DSL
because both SBC and us have been getting mainly dialup people.
This is changing. Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

TW definitely will have some competition coming. Check out the prices
on premium data services in this PC World article
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,122314,pg,3,00.asp
What I find interesting is that there are companies offering much more
bandwidth, at prices comparable to what san.rr.com customers are paying.
I've been wondering what the heck ever became of all the fiber and
pigtails PacTel laid down in San Diego a few years ago. It would
make a lot of sense for SOME company to come along and light up them
fibers!

I'm not familiar with other areas, but in my neighborhood they came
along and removed the fiber. Here today, gone tomorrow.

[v***@despammed.com]

Anyone else notice from that article that RR has the lowest upstream? That's
their premium service even. I for one am a bit exhausted with 384k up. I'd like
to see at least 1mbps up (for us non-premium service people) in the near future.
For $45 a month, we sure deserve it. My household gives the AOL/TW megalith
$164.85 a month for all our services. It's ridiculous. A 40% increase in prices
in the last 5 years? The stockholders must be getting rich, I know I'm not. And
I sure as hell know my TV service ain't 40% better than 5 years ago. Anyone try
watching a movie they HAVEN'T seen before on HBO....or try to find something
other than "paid programming" on TV at 3:00 in the morning? I'll cut this rant
here before I use up all the NG bandwidth.

Post by ***@NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org

Post by Edwin Kruse
Yes, we have that information and the marketing folks share it with me
from time to time. In general we have about 45% market penetration in
our TWC footprint for HSD as far as homes and businesses passed. In
some neighborhoods we have a lot more. When you look at penetration of
homes with PC's only, we are even higher. Believe it or not there are a
lot of residences that don't have any Internet connection at all!
In my opinion we have not really competed head to head with DSL because
both SBC and us have been getting mainly dialup people. This is changing.
Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

TW definitely will have some competition coming. Check out the prices
on premium data services in this PC World article
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,122314,pg,3,00.asp
What I find interesting is that there are companies offering much more
bandwidth, at prices comparable to what san.rr.com customers are paying.
I've been wondering what the heck ever became of all the fiber and
pigtails PacTel laid down in San Diego a few years ago. It would make a
lot of sense for SOME company to come along and light up them fibers!

[stevech]

for my $45 per month, I have gotten a very fast ISP, when it works.
Trouble is, 5% of the time it's down.Cable modem won't synch. TWC says too
bad, it's in the wiring in the condos that >I don't own< en route to my
condo.
Been this way for 2 years.

Tough sh*t says TWC. Why do that take that attitude? Because they have no
competition at 5Mbps. I should switch to DSL, but the email change is
painful. Oh why did I choose a san.rr.com email address. Sigh.

I have some explitives for them too.

[[e-mail]]

Post by stevech
for my $45 per month, I have gotten a very fast ISP, when it works.
Trouble is, 5% of the time it's down.Cable modem won't synch. TWC says too
bad, it's in the wiring in the condos that >I don't own< en route to my
condo.
Been this way for 2 years.

That *is* a tough problem. I could understand why TWC would want to
disclaim this problem. It's not really TWC's fault that the condo's
cable wiring is screwed up. You need to take that up with your condo
association, to get a contractor in to fix it. Ah, isn't it fun to live
in a condo?

Post by stevech
Tough sh*t says TWC. Why do that take that attitude? Because they have no
competition at 5Mbps. I should switch to DSL, but the email change is
painful. Oh why did I choose a san.rr.com email address. Sigh.

For $3 per month (web/email provider), plus $9 per year (domain
registration), you can have your own domain name and email address (and
a good-sized website, to boot). I've NEVER given out my san.rr.com
email address. For that matter, I've not used my employers' email
addresses for 10 years. Get your own address.

I happen to like hostdome.com for my web/email provider, but if all you
want is light duty email, you can simply go with the freebie email that
comes with GoDaddy.com's $9/year domain registration.