IPTV - When in PQ?

[Bob Cunningham]

Any idea when this (http://www.twcbbtv.com/) will work in PQ?
Preferably under Linux, of course.

-BobC

[Never anonymous Bud]

Post by Bob Cunningham
Any idea when this (http://www.twcbbtv.com/) will work in PQ?
Preferably under Linux, of course.

What IS that, exactly??

Says I'm not in the service area...

[Bob Cunningham]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050713/news_1b13iptv.html

Post by Never anonymous Bud

Post by Bob Cunningham
Any idea when this (http://www.twcbbtv.com/) will work in PQ?
Preferably under Linux, of course.

What IS that, exactly??
Says I'm not in the service area...

[Never anonymous Bud]

Post by Bob Cunningham
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050713/news_1b13iptv.html

Well, THAT is pretty much a waste of time and space.

It's better to just get a video decoder card.

[Edwin Kruse]

The Tierrasanta and Mira Mesa are on a trial basis only. We don't have
any information on when we would have an offical "launch"....

This thing has the potential to eat a lot of bandwidth!

Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

Post by Bob Cunningham
Any idea when this (http://www.twcbbtv.com/) will work in PQ?
Preferably under Linux, of course.
-BobC

[NoonT]

Post by Edwin Kruse
The Tierrasanta and Mira Mesa are on a trial basis only. We don't have
any information on when we would have an offical "launch"....
This thing has the potential to eat a lot of bandwidth!
Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

Post by Bob Cunningham
Any idea when this (http://www.twcbbtv.com/) will work in PQ?
Preferably under Linux, of course.
-BobC

The question is why? TW already deliver TV to my home, why would they
want to waste the bandwidth to deliver the same thing in a different
format? I can already watch most of the network news clips using my
browser plug-in any way.

TW can concentrate on better thing like HDTV, digital telephony, IMHO.

Cheers,
TN

[Edwin Kruse]

I believe we want to be first to the market because others are figuring
out how to do this and will charge money to ride free on our pipes.
(Like Vonnage). If we offer this free already as a value added service,
they don't have any way to may money- so better for us and better for
customer!

Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

Post by NoonT

Post by Edwin Kruse
The Tierrasanta and Mira Mesa are on a trial basis only. We don't
have any information on when we would have an offical "launch"....
This thing has the potential to eat a lot of bandwidth!
Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

Post by Bob Cunningham
Any idea when this (http://www.twcbbtv.com/) will work in PQ?
Preferably under Linux, of course.
-BobC

The question is why? TW already deliver TV to my home, why would they
want to waste the bandwidth to deliver the same thing in a different
format? I can already watch most of the network news clips using my
browser plug-in any way.
TW can concentrate on better thing like HDTV, digital telephony, IMHO.
Cheers,
TN

[NoonT]

Post by Edwin Kruse
I believe we want to be first to the market because others are figuring
out how to do this and will charge money to ride free on our pipes.
(Like Vonnage). If we offer this free already as a value added service,
they don't have any way to may money- so better for us and better for
customer!
Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

Post by NoonT

Post by Edwin Kruse
The Tierrasanta and Mira Mesa are on a trial basis only. We don't
have any information on when we would have an offical "launch"....
This thing has the potential to eat a lot of bandwidth!
Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

Post by Bob Cunningham
Any idea when this (http://www.twcbbtv.com/) will work in PQ?
Preferably under Linux, of course.
-BobC

The question is why? TW already deliver TV to my home, why would they
want to waste the bandwidth to deliver the same thing in a different
format? I can already watch most of the network news clips using my
browser plug-in any way.
TW can concentrate on better thing like HDTV, digital telephony, IMHO.
Cheers,
TN

That is an interesting point; so this IP video will be free for TW cable
Internet customer?

Speaking of Vonage, if TW cable offer IP phone service for $19.99
including Europe like Lingo or at least $24.99 like Vonage then I will
drop Lingo faster than this message posted to the RR newsgroup :).

Cheers,
TN

[Bob Cunningham]

From the article, it sounded like the IPTV service would simply mirror
whatever you're signed up for on regular cable.

Or will the IPTV service offer more?

I'm only willing to use regular cable services that don't require a
special box for each TV, so that rules out all channels that are
encrypted or need a special decoder.

But with IPTV and a cheap PC (mini-ITX) with decent TV out, I can retire
my ReplayTV PVR and go all digital all at once. (I only watch shows
I've pre-recorded - I never watch live TV - so time-shifting would be my
main use.) Plus, MPEG2 quality isn't all that great, even at higher
bitrates. I'd like to get better quality without needing yet another
video encoder.

So, some questions:

1. What is the IPTV video quality? How does it compare to a regular
analog cable channel?

2. What is the IPTV bitrate/resolution? (Will it leave me bandwidth for
browsing, and will it be worth watching on a large-screen TV?)

3. What encoding is used? MPEG4/DIVX?

4. What is the QOS? Is a reliable transport used to partition bandwidth
and guarantee real-time delivery?

5. Any plans for HDTV programming over IPTV?

6. Any plans for Linux support? (I won't buy a Windows license just to
watch TV!)


If RR/TW doesn't provide a truly useful service, then it will be a waste
of RR manpower, money and bandwidth.

Given RR's problems with comparatively simple news servers, I'm not sure
I can trust RR/TW to deliver IPTV with useful quality, even if it is free.

I'd be willing to pay for an outside IPTV service that DOES truly
deliver a useful, top-quality product. Of course, a good free IPTV
service would be better! But not a toy service.


-BobC

Post by Edwin Kruse
I believe we want to be first to the market because others are figuring
out how to do this and will charge money to ride free on our pipes.
(Like Vonnage). If we offer this free already as a value added service,
they don't have any way to may money- so better for us and better for
customer!
Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

Post by NoonT

Post by Edwin Kruse
The Tierrasanta and Mira Mesa are on a trial basis only. We don't
have any information on when we would have an offical "launch"....
This thing has the potential to eat a lot of bandwidth!
Edwin Kruse
Network Services Manager
TWC San Diego

Post by Bob Cunningham
Any idea when this (http://www.twcbbtv.com/) will work in PQ?
Preferably under Linux, of course.
-BobC

The question is why? TW already deliver TV to my home, why would they
want to waste the bandwidth to deliver the same thing in a different
format? I can already watch most of the network news clips using my
browser plug-in any way.
TW can concentrate on better thing like HDTV, digital telephony, IMHO.
Cheers,
TN

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Post by Bob Cunningham
From the article, it sounded like the IPTV service would simply mirror
whatever you're signed up for on regular cable.
Or will the IPTV service offer more?

Uh, what do YOU think? They'd be nuts -- and in violation of their
contracts with content providers -- to offer customers premium channels
at no extra charge.

Post by Bob Cunningham
I'm only willing to use regular cable services that don't require a
special box for each TV, so that rules out all channels that are
encrypted or need a special decoder.

I'm with you. I refuse to have decoders in our house.

Post by Bob Cunningham
But with IPTV and a cheap PC (mini-ITX) with decent TV out, I can retire
my ReplayTV PVR and go all digital all at once. (I only watch shows
I've pre-recorded - I never watch live TV - so time-shifting would be my
main use.) Plus, MPEG2 quality isn't all that great, even at higher
bitrates. I'd like to get better quality without needing yet another
video encoder.

I've been thinking the same thing. It would certainly be nice to be
able to use a conventional PC for this.

[Kathy]

Post by Edwin Kruse
The Tierrasanta and Mira Mesa are on a trial basis only. We don't have
any information on when we would have an offical "launch"....

My question about broadband TV is, how is it in TW's interest at all, seems
more like its a threat.

Right now, TW already delivers TV via cable, and for TV, our choices are
antenna, cable, or satellite.

With broadband TV, seems like any broadband provider could now supply TV, so
current customers of SBC, Verizon, etc. can now provide TV if they want and
people wouldn't need TW any more if they didn't want.

And the issue of TV eating up internet bandwidth. If it really takes 7 or 8
seconds to connect to a channel, that'll put a stop to casual channel
surfing I guess...

- Kathy

[stevech]

As to channel switching times... one of the main reasons I don't go digital
cable is the 3 seconds or more it takes to change channels and resynch.
Analog is a tiny fraction of a second.
Unless you use a DVR/TiVo, this is important.

Post by Kathy

Post by Edwin Kruse
The Tierrasanta and Mira Mesa are on a trial basis only. We don't have
any information on when we would have an offical "launch"....

My question about broadband TV is, how is it in TW's interest at all, seems
more like its a threat.
Right now, TW already delivers TV via cable, and for TV, our choices are
antenna, cable, or satellite.
With broadband TV, seems like any broadband provider could now supply TV, so
current customers of SBC, Verizon, etc. can now provide TV if they want and
people wouldn't need TW any more if they didn't want.
And the issue of TV eating up internet bandwidth. If it really takes 7 or 8
seconds to connect to a channel, that'll put a stop to casual channel
surfing I guess...
- Kathy